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i don't think that is that big a deal. >> the last word goes to marcia clark, thank you, lisa bloom and faith jenkins, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. up next, "hardball" with chris matthews. >>> let the closing arguments begin. let's play "hardball." good evening i'm michael smerconish in for chris matthews. leading off tonight, closing arguments in the george zimmerman trial, capping off a dramatic day in court. bernie de la rionda of the state delivering an emotionally charged final appeal to the jury to find zimmerman guilty of second-degree murder. it tied together virtually all of the elements and arguments that we have seen them present in this case including zimmerman's infamous profanity-laced call to the police which occurred when he spotted and tracked martin, the testimony of martin's friend rachel jeantel saying martin told her that zimmerman was following him, and numerous questions about zimmerman's account of the events that night. their conclusion that zimmerman profiled martin as a criminal and killed him with ill will and hatred. earlier in the day a seri
'm joined by legal analyst lisa bloom, former circuit court judge alex ferrer and criminal defense attorney joseph haynes davis. gang, in his closing arguments, prosecutor bernie de la rionda drove home one message to the jury, that zimmerman profiled martin as a criminal, and that is part of his argument to the jury. >> this innocent 17-year-old kid was profiled as a criminal. to quote the defendant, and pardon my language, he was one of those [ bleep ] that get away. pardon my language, he was one of those [ bleep ] punks, he uttered it under his breath. and that itself indicates ill will and hatred, because in his mind, he already assumed certain things. that trayvon martin was a [ bleep ] punk, and he was [ bleep ] and he wasn't going to get away this time. >> mr. davis, he spoke of criminal profiling, not racial profiling. but is that really the unsaid word in that courtroom? is that the implication of what the prosecution is saying? >> well, as i said before, counselor, and thank you again for having me today, that race is immutable. we see it. in fact, you see it as we look at the te
. >> thank you, craig. >>> for more i'm joined by legal analyst lisa bloom, former judge alex ferrer, and -- in his closing arguments the prosecutor drove home one message to the jury -- that zimmerman profiled martin as a criminal. and this is part of his argument to the jury. >> this innocent 17-year-old kid was profiled as a criminal. to quote the defendant, and pardon my language, he was one of those [ bleep ] that get away. pardon my language, he was one of those [ bleep ] punks, he uttered it under his breath. that indicates ill wit and hate tres. he already had assumed certainly things that trayvon martin was a [ bleep ] punk, [ bleep ] action and he wasn't going to get away this time. >> mr. davis, he spoke of criminal profiling, not racial profiling. is that the unsaid word in that courtroom. is that the implication of what the implication is staying? >> well, as i said before, counselor action and thank you for having me again today, that race is immutable. we see it, in fact you see it as we look at the television, with the diversity that you have put together so the fact
. >> cross examination, your honor? >> yes, you may. >>> joining me now, msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom. lisa, in your opinion how important is it to establish that trayvon martin may are been on top of george zimmerman at one point? >> i think it is extremely important and i think this is the best defense witness so far. we haven't heard cross examination yet and that could change things a lot but on direct, dr. dimaio was i think very strong for the defense, establishing a lot of the points they've been trying to make throughout the trial. he established that -- he at least -- his position is that trayvon martin's shirt separated two to four inches from his body. that's established by powder tattooing. and that's important because the defense says that trayvon martin was straddled over george zimmerman who was on his back. leaning in. that means the shirt would have separated because of gravity an because the arizona fruit drink was in the pocket pulling the shirt away. dimaio through science is trying to establish for this jury that that's what happened. he also said trayvon martin was lik
to reaching a verdict. >> craig, stand by. i want to bring in lisa to this. what do you think about the timing so far and how long might this go? >> i think it's safe to say at this point, it's not going to be a quick verdict. it's already been over six hours. a lot of people predicted it's going to be very fast, going to be a defense verdict. mark o'mara in his closing arguments suggested to the jury they should come back with a very speedy verdict, and of course for the defense, i think we're past the point where we could that could have happened. now they're really digging in. they're entrenched. there's real give and take going on in that jury room between different sides. it will be interesting to see how it turns out. >> you had said earlier that it might be quick, but it's changed. >> you never know, once you submit a case to a jury. when i have clients and they're going into trial, you can't predict. take six people from the community at random, you don't now how they're going to view a case. >> what sort of concerns or questions might you expect coming up maybe today or tomorrow that
's craig melvin outside the courthouse in sanford, florida, and legal analyst lisa bloom in new york. there's a lot of debate that's taking place today in the courtroom over the jury and instructions but it's really about one issue, will there -- the jury be able to convict on a lesser charge. >> yes, last night mark o'mara held a news conference after the proceedings. he said that if these lesser charges were included, manslaughter, battery, that you mentioned the assault charge, if those charges were included to the jury, he says that would be a compromised verdict or the jury could bring a compromised verdict. he indicated in his opinion that would be -- it's just a verdict that showed sympathy toward trayvon martin's family. so he plans to argue vehemently this morning against including those lesser charges. also at that news conference yesterday, chuck, mark o'mara guy us some insight into what we saw unfold yesterday. george zimmerman telling judge nelson after consulting with his attorneys he did not want to testify. come to find out, george zimmerman apparently wanted to testify, ve
, msnbc legal analyst, lisa bloom. lisa, tell us about what is going on in the courtroom this morning. there seems to be a lot of back and forth over the specific charges, some new ones being introduced. >> you know, it's been a hallmark of this case in what are usually fairly routine hearings, something dramatic happens. i mean we saw that with george zimmerman yesterday at the moment when we expecteded him to simply say i'm not going to testify and the judge would walk him through it. all of a sudden there were fireworks in the courtroom. and today at charging conference, the part of the trial where, outside the presence of the jury, the lawyers argue about the specific language of the jury instructions. i'm not going to say it is routine but it is usually fairly low key. fireworks once again. largely that centered around whether a child abuse instruction should be given to the jury. an instruction that since trayvon martin was 17 years old at the time of his death legally a child, there should be an additional charge given to the jury about child abuse and the defense blew up over
. >> what do you expect my hand to have on it? >> blood. >> joining me now, msnbc legal analyst, lisa bloom, and a former homicide prosecutor. lisa bloom, the big testimony of the day, what is your overall assessment of how that went in? >> i think it went in very well for the defense because the prosecution didn't go for the jugular. >> what should they have gone for? >> he was not familiar with the hoodies, all the testimony showed was that the bullet touched the edge of the fabric, which was about two inches from trayvon martin's body. why? because he is wearing two inches of baggy sweat shirt, he could have been down and bunched up. >> he has two baggy sweat shirts on, which sweat shirt was he talking about? >> the outer one. >> the outer one has to be at least two inches away. >> and he demonstrates with the men's shirt, which is of course fitted. to do the demonstration he has to pull it out. it was the most unscientific, ridiculous demonstration, i would have nailed him on that. dr. di maio, he said that in his testimony, scientific testimony to prove your theories is that important
. joining me now is nbc legal analyst, lisa bloom, and defense attorney, karen desoto, who is also a former prosecutor. good morning, ladies. thanks for being here. >> good morning! >> boy, we have been watching this so closely and so intensely. lisa, let me start with you. the jury's first request was all of that evidence. what does that tell you? because that's a whole lot that they can sort through. >> so, they asked for inventory of the evidence. presumably, so they can go through it either piece by piece or if they have a question, maybe there's a disagreement among the panel about what a witness said or what the evidence showed. they can immediately find it and take a look at it. obviously, that's a good sign, because you want the jury to decide the case based on the evidence. >> it's a lot, indeed, to go through, though. and it means they're really thinking closely about this. i want to get to you, karen, about this slab of concrete that, you know, the defense hauled out there, essentially, and saying that, you know, trayvon martin, this is just not some unarmed teenager with skittle
enforcement trainer. joining me is msnbc legal analyst, lisa bloom. lisa, what was the prosecution looking -- the defense looking to do today to demonstrate and really pinpoint the location of the gun? >> he's a use of force expert. he makes a living testifying in cases like this, and the defense is trying to establish that george zimmerman behaved reasonably, that given that a fight is very dynamic and how the whole thing proceeded according to george zimmerman's story, ultimately when he was down and trayvon martin was on top of him, that was his story, when he reached for the gun and fired the gun it was reasonable under all the circumstances. >> there are a number of things that judge nelson restricted dennis root on the stand from discussing. he was not able to testify that zimmerman was reasonable in his use of deadly force, that zimmerman did not violate florida law and that zimmerman acted in restraint when using deadly force on trayvon martin. why was that not permissible? >> i think ultimately he did testify to some of that, certainly to some of the reasonablebility. that is ques
, is headed towards civil war. joined now by lisa, an analyst and journalist and fox news contributor and judy miller is a pulitzer prize winning investigator and author and fox news contributor, ralph peters. thank you so much for all of you being here. judy, let me start with you, in terms of what you're learning about what's going on, on the go around there. what's happening? >> this is clearly a very tense moment. a miami in which the military feels it has to assert it's authority. it has to tell the muslim brotherhood if they continue to resist what's happened, they will be killed, it's what happened in the mosque yesterday or they will be arrested. the muslim brotherhood is a top-down organization. the military is taking this step to prevent an all out civil war. >> lisa, we have talk about the different stages of revolution. you have the toppling of hosni mubarak and then you have this what looks to be now an interim muslim brotherhood government no doubt is scrapping to hang on to some control in this situation. are we looking at a possible return to a mubarak style government where yo
of increasing, not decreasing, emissions. i remember when lisa jackson was the director of the e.p.a.. she was my favorite liberal. i had three favorite liberals. she is one of the three of them. i liked her because even though i disagreed with her philosophically she was always honest with me. i'd ask her a question, and she would answer. i remember when i asked her the question live on tv in a hearing, i said, you know, if we were to pass any of these, this legislation that would regulate co2 levels, would this reduce the -- would this reduce the emissions worldwide? she said no because this only affects the united states. it would not affect the other countries. so, you won't hear the president talking about this. you won't hear him talking about the cost, even though they will shrink from our economy by more than $400 billion a year, we know that, no one refutes that, it would require the e.p.a. to hire an additional 250,000 employees, spend an additional $21 billion to implement the regulatory regime. and these are not my figures. these are the e.p.a.'s figures. and you won't hear him
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the very largesse of priorities based on their own experiences. lisa murkowski talks about how she came in from alaska and she was the only person on the help committee that had a child in the title one school in alaska. she talks a lot about that and about pta everyone brings that perspective and life experience and i think that when you get more diversity of the table, you get a different life experiences where people think of issues and think of things that other people wouldn't oppose they just wouldn't have thought of and then they bring it to the table and other people say that's an interesting and good idea. >> host: we are going to a quick break and then we will be back. >> host: we are back. i wanted to talk to you a little that even though we were talking about because they have to be policy generalists in the senate but gender is sometimes neutralized the plan of a number of cases and you kind of mention that we were talking about contraception for example which is a good example when mail policy makers may be taking the stance that is seen as antiwhen and where they are bein
. >> this is from "solitary in iran nearly broke me. then i went inside america's prisons." lisa explains how her family dish aerated in texas after natural gas began around her home. >> my daughter looks at the rash all over her face. she has nosebleed. nosebleed. throats burning,, eyes. i had a rash that went through my entire body literally to the bottoms of my feet. my throat would start swelling. i started gasping for air. i started stuttering and stumbling. my face drew up on my left side. >> an excerpt from "gasland part ii." it premiered earlier this week on hbo. josh fox's previous documentary, " gasland" was documented for -- documentary was no need for an academy award. this is democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. >> we turn now to the war on women's health which took a major turn thursday as two states against far-reaching legislation to restrict abortion. a showdown is expected in texas today after a state senate committee approved a bill critics say would virtually and abortion access in the state. an earlier attempt to pass the bill was thwar
about how trayvon martin died. fox news legal analyst lisa wheel joins us on the prosecutionns crumbling case in dobbs law. this is the moment i knew... ...his future had no boundaries. there are some moments only the forest can inspire. find yours at >>> joining me now on today's bombshell developments in the george zimmerman trial, we welcome and please do along with me, fox news legal analyst lis wiehl. good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> this testimony today, my god, the forensic specialist saying that trayvon martin was above george zimmerman when the bullet was fired. >> right. this is a gunshot expert who has had 40 years of experience. he's been a professor, written books about this and he was very commonsensical because he looked at the way that martin's shirt came down upon zimmerman, right, when the shot was actually fired. he just talked about gravity. when you're over somebody, your shirt is going to go down like this as opposed to back on the person. that's important because when he was shot, there was about 2 to 4 inches between the gunshot
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to submit some questions for lisa and recommenremy. we'll get to as many as we can in our brief time together. first question, and it's a good one. regardless of which side wins, do you think there will be appeals? >> i'll take that one. if the prosecution loses, they can't appeal. double jeopardy. it's over. if the defense loses, they'll absolutely appeal. >> what would be the basic appealable action on the part of the defense? >> well, generally an appeal will be as a matter of law, that the judge made mistakes of law, so it could be the introduction of evidence, rulings against the defense that was to keep evidence out, or the way that the jury was charged. we know there was a lot of argument about it. those would probably be the things that they would appeal. mike we had a question from jean, wanted to know if there was an acquit yell could there still be civil charges filed against zimmerman or even federal charges for civil rights, but could there be civil charges from the family of trayvon martin. >> absolutely. civil charges. now, if zimmerman is acquitted, then zimmerman cou
the zimmerman trial in the elevator. we'll talk more about that. we'll try to get marsha clark or lisa bloom. you were saying yesterday that you think he's going to walk. lisa bloom said she thinks the defense had a couple of disastrous days. >> how can you miss it, every cable channel is running it 24/7. >> it's incredible to me is the screaming thing. yes, the guy with the gun is screaming. >> help, i got a gun. >> and then stops immediately after the gunshot. it's hard to figure out who that could have been. then they tried to put trayvon's father on the stand. that's what lisa bloom was talking about to make it--literally he's grief stricken. he's hearing tape for the first time of his son's last moments of course he's like--he didn't say definitively that's his son. they said he put his head down, and i guess the cop took that as a no, that's not my son. but that's ridiculous to have that and to introduce that he had marijuana in his bloodstream. how is that relevant? >> he had a little bit of thc. it's not pcp. it doesn't make you crazy. >> the whole thing to me, it's so counter intuit
want to bring in my friend and colleague lisa blum, legal analyst. lisa, always good to see you. first of all, let's play the game we have been playing for about a day now. the longer this jury deliberates, what does that tell you? >> well, i think we can safely say one thing, that is this is no longer possible that it is going to be a quick decision. however the jury decides this case, if they do reach a verdict, they deliberated for a significant period of time. so whichever side they reach, i think the other side can take some comfort they really took this case seriously. how much longer, when they're going to come back with a verdict, i could tell you it is going to be 4:17 p.m. but obviously nobody knows and we don't know what they talk about behind closed doors other than the fact they asked for the list of evidence which is a good sign. i had interviewed many jurors in high profile cases after the case was over and they always talk about going through the evidence and analyzing it closely. all the studies indicate they rise to the occasion and take their job very seriously. >> l
based on their own experiences as women. lisa talked about how he came in and from alaska. he was the only person on the committee who had a child in a title one school in alaska, and she talks about that and the pta, and so everyone brings their perspective and life experience, and so i think when you get more diversity at the table, you get different life experiences where people think of issues and think of things that other people wouldn't opposed, you wouldn't have thought of, and they bring it to the table and people say, oh, interesting and good idea. >> reporter: great. we'll take a quick break, and then we'll be back. >> host: all right, we're back. i wanted to talk a little bit -- even though we talked about how they have to be policy generalists in the senate, that gender is knew railized, but you point out a number of case, and we talked about contraception, for example, a good example, of when male policymakers who may be taking a stance, but seen as antiwomen or being, they're being beat up by women's groups for taking a position, trot out a member of their own p
♪ ♪ oh whoa ♪ down down do your dance july 4th is here. we're talking with lisa about the walmart low price guarantee. did you know that walmart will ad match produce? i didn't know that. yeah, if you find a lower advertised price they'll match it right at the register. really! oh my gosh! see! bring in your last grocery receipt to walmart this 4th of july and see for yourself. ♪ now walk it by yourself do the cupid shuffle ♪ >> come on now. ♪ the cupid shuffle >> hey, this isn't so bad. ♪ cupid see you -- >> they final got it. i'm so proud. they're ready for anaheim. >> whoo! [ applause ] >> the video of the irs members dancing to the cupid shuffle was the talk of washington for weeks, in fact, congress actually spent time and effort scrutinizing an awkward dance video? cupid, the man behind the original shuffle isn't getting enough credit. his moves made serious waves across congress and youtube alike. so let's see what the fuss is all about. cupid. >> hey. >> great to have you with us. >> thank you, thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> from lafayette, louisiana. >> yes, si
illinois on this committee and lisa murkowski is also on this committee. if this thing gets through the committee with two republicans voting on it, what happens next? >> democratic leaders try to push it to the floor. negotiate a deal to at least get a vote to override the filibuster. a decent chance it gets out of the senate. what happens then is it will probably die in the house because republican leaders have a leave us alone attitude. after doma they issued all the necessary, we wish the supreme court would uphold it, but the very clear subtext to their message there was, leave us alone. don't look at a us on doma and don't look at us to pass a program. >> remember, an election coming up. what republicans, particularly on that side in the house want to have on their record, you know, that they have this vote and that's something that can be used against them in a primary or any other situation. i think, like you said, a good chance of passing the senate and it gets to the house. >> it is the thing we keep coming back to on every piece of legislation, almost fear of the republic
. >> kerry sanders as the trial is wrapping up, thank you. lisa bloom is today's analyst. john q. kelly a former prosecutor. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> the first question, there is a legal decision the judge will make this morning and it could be incredibly consequential, whether or not jurors will be given the option to convict of a lesser charge than second-degree murder, whether they'll be given a manslaughter instruction. the defense has said we don't want it. basically it's all or nothing. is that smart, john? >> i think it is. there is no way the prosecution has demonstrated a depraved mind or ill will on their part. the evidence would support a manslaughter charge at least if not a conviction. >> the defense is saying we're afraid the jurors will compromise. if we give them the option, they might compromise. >> it shows the defense has a lot of confidence in their case and are willing to take the all or nothing risk, either life in prison or george zimmerman walks. >> meantime, let's show you a piece of tape that came from yesterday. the jud
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're talking all things related to the media. >> we're on twitter at bpshow at bpshow. lisa says on msnbc and their ratings, chris hayes is boring and morning joke is a loud mouth. revamp the whole damn line-up. m zotti says i did not know that dylan byers was such a hunk! smart and nice on the eyes! hey, now! it happens. it happens when he comes in. >> that was you. >> that might have been me. >> you wrote that. [ laughter ] >> bill: all right. nice to have you here. so here's the deal. all of these top republicans john mccain and george w. bush telling -- karl rove, telling the republican party this immigration reform is something you better take seriously because you got whomped in 2012. mitt romney and the latino vote. you have to do this to reach out. never have a chance of winning the white house back. bill crystal from fox news, rich lowery, editor of the "national review," two prominent republican journalists conservatives, took the opposite stand and said no. don't do this. don't be conned into doing this. this would be bad for the party. and it looks like the republican party wi
and defense attorney, and lisa is a fox news analyst. they rejoin me. great to have you guys back. so, you are the jury instructions. why is this going to take an hour? >> she's got to read them word for word. 27 pages. many of the pages just have a few sentences on them. but she literally has to go through and read everything. after she thanks the jurors in writing here, then she's going to go through the introduction to homicide, introduction to second degree murder, then manslaughter and then she will finally get to justifiable use of deadly force before she gets into rules for deliberations. >> got it. let's take a listen inside the courtroom because we believe the judge is giching some of those instructions. >> -- a killing that is excusable or was commit by the use of justifiable deadly force is lawful. if you find trayvon martin was killed by george zimmerman, you will then need to consider the circumstances surrounding the killing, in deciding if the killing was murder in the second degree or was manslaughter or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable use of
with clooney after he ended his relationship with lisa snowden. snowden told the british newspaper she would always be famous for dating the star saying i sometimes think it will be written on my tombstone. plenty of women are eager for the starring role as his next girlfriend. we reached out to representatives for george clooney or stacy keibler. women around the world are cheering. >> we have two here wearing black arm bands. >> trending in our hearts. >> jason, thank you very much. >>> meantime, in the pages of esquire magazine, one person that may have found the secret to happiness in hollywood is matt damon. he is crediting his wife. he says quote, i got lucky. i fell in love with a civilian. he says that in the august issue. not an actress and not a famous actress at that. because then the attention grows because everyone wants to be in your bedroom. they have been married for seven years and have four kids. he walks his kids to school. damon says his face just fell because he should be able to do that and he can't. damon seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. >> of all the ce
fizzled. >> and sarah larsen took up with clooney after he ended his relationship with model lisa snowden. she said she would always be famous for dating the star. i sometimes think it will be written on my tombstone. while clooney's latest relationship died off, no doubt plenty of women are eager for the starring role as his next girlfriend. >> we reached out to representatives for both george clooney and stacy keebler but neither had.nb any comment. nonetheless, women around the world are still cheering, though, matt. >> we have two here wearing black arm bands in solidarity with stacy keebler or just to get attention. >> trending in our hearts. >> jason, thank you very much. >>> and inotsquire" magazine, one person who may have found the secret to happiness in hollywood is matt damon. he credits his wife. he said, "i got lucky. i level in love with a civilian. not an actress and not a famous actress at that. because the attention doesn't double it grows exponentially. because then suddenly everyone wants to be in yourc bedroom. he has been married to former bartender for seven years.
named senators richard burr, republican of north carolina lisa murkowski along with lamar alexander republican of tennessee and orrin hatch republican of utah. he said my tendency is to vote for the bill. he wanted to make sure exemptions for religious organizations remain strong. that's the part i don't get. in terms of separation of church and state. i don't get how your religious beliefs allow you to discriminate against somebody, you know, lawfully. it is like -- there is an exemption for you to be a bigot because it makes you feel icky? >> it is a big. [ ♪ big band ♪ ] -- it is a bigit's right exemption. >> stephanie: my automated yes person. >> computer says yes. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: yes, that's right. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] pennsylvania law banning gay american faces court challenge because we have created this patchwork now, this legal crazy quilt of regulations. >> mama's right right again as usual. absolutely. >> stephanie: why, thank you. >> you're absolutely right. you're right. they're wrong. >> stephanie: that's right. civil rights l
september 11 give us a much greater chance of picking up a massive attack. on the other hand that been lisa's mobile to these smaller attacks which, in essence, takes place under the radar that we set up. and so we are safer against one, but we're more vulnerable to another. and although the numbers differ, in a large attack more people die, and a smaller attacks less people die. over them are enormously destabilizing the country that after all values every human life. so we can say 13 died here and 3000 died there, and that does make a difference, but it's still very destabilizing, particularly if we have numerous acts like this. if we have numerous attempts to attack us but even the attempts that we stopped our very destabilizing. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> the chair now recognizes the gentleman from -- [inaudible] >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you folding this very important hearing, and to the three witnesses, thank you for being here today. mr. mayor, you received a great praise as you should have. i hope you're not offended, we haven't called you serve spent i appreciate it. i
security sometimes orders left out is lisa overstays. they came legally and overstay their visas and to simply can't find him. when i look at -- and in any state that has an international airport and a belief here there for a border state. will we look us some of the attacks, the christmas day bomber, tamarin, a kung back to a country he was fleeing from and being a will to it back and with his buddy who got back here on a student visa when he was an even in school in the longer. in 1986 he was given amnesty. in reality he was a taxicab driver and was involved in the 93 attack on the world trade center. the only thing he planted of america was a bomb. two of the pilots who had their student visas approved after they're rig it. it's obvious that we have gaping holes in our visa system. my question is, with pat, do you feel that it would be in the best interest of the american people that we fix the problem first since we know it is a national security threat and would solve half of our problem as well as making cities -- no one knows better than you what happens when someone gets
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